Best Laptop for Miditzer

Job one is installing the Miditzer and getting it configured
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Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by Organmarine » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:01 pm

My wife is not happy with me keep jumping onto her computer to set up MiDi connections to my GA3 with Miditzer. Understandable.

Could someone please suggest a laptop thingy that costs under £400. Perhaps a Which best buy?

I believe that XP 32 bit is a safe operating system for Miditzer. It seems that Vista has problems with Miditzer.

Any help appreciated. Thankyou girls / guys.

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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by greenfox » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:29 pm

I would suggest your best direction would be a second hand laptop.

Dual Core Intel processor. 2.5GHz processor speed or better (an important specification)
At least 2GB RAM.
Yes, definitely Windows XP suits Miditzer best.

I would not recommend any of the new low cost laptops for the job.
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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by bdalton » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:06 am

Robert,
There are many new laptops on eBay at less than £400.
I wouldn't worry about XP, I've run Miditzer on XP, Vista and Windows 7 and never had a problem and I don't see any reason to think that Windows 8 will not be O.K.

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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by johnh » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:11 pm

WIth any version of Windows beyond XP the challenge is in the installation. As I recall you can either install with Administrator 'rights' or install the MIditzer in a folder that isn't protected by the operating system, such as in My Documents.

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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by greenfox » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:40 pm

The audio output from the "Fluidsynth" embedded in Miditzer is in "dsound" format which is native to Windows 98 & XP.

Newer versions of Windows (Vista, 7 and now 8) use a different native audio system (WAS-API).

To provide backward compatibility, the newer operating systems run an emulator when they detect "dsound" content and covert it to suit the new operating system native audio. This emulation/conversion process adds delay to the sound. On some hardware systems the delay is more noticeable than others. You can't tell until you try it. There are many people who have given up on Miditzer due to this issue.

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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by Organmarine » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:09 am

Thanks everyone. Lots to think about.

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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by Organmarine » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:01 am

bdalton wrote:Robert,
There are many new laptops on eBay at less than £400.
I wouldn't worry about XP, I've run Miditzer on XP, Vista and Windows 7 and never had a problem and I don't see any reason to think that Windows 8 will not be O.K.

Barry
Hi again Barry.

When you say 2.5GHz or better; do you mean from each of the duo chips, making 5GHz?

Researched today in my home town of Swindon, England.
Local company offering new, but returned goods to Samsung, checked, tested etc.

All these have sufficient memory and disk space.

Because one I have been offered is 2GHz duo. Samsung pentium B940 NP300E7A-A03UK...
17" screen. 1 year guarantee. Factory returns or somat. Basically new but may not be in original packaging. £282.00

Also they offered Samsung 17" i3 quad AR780 ... £442.00

I guess that a 17" screen would be an advantage over the more common 15" .

The boss I spoke to said that the i3 is much more powerful than the B940. But do I need it?
Maybe I will want to experiment with Hauptwerk which needs more processing power than Miditzer. This doesn't necessarily make Hauptwerk better, but I wish to leave my gates open.

These two seem interesting so ...
Any help or advice on these machines will be alot appreciated.

Best wishes to all.
Robert.

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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by bdalton » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:46 pm

Robert, it wasn't me who said "2.5Ghz duo chip or better", you don't need a duo chip and any CPU faster than 2Ghz is more than good enough.
My Miditzer 260 runs on a 2Ghz single chip CPU.
Any average PC less than 6 years old is going to work.
A 17" screen is better than a 15" screen for any use on a PC, but Miditzer doesn't care.
So, to sum up the £280 one will be more than good enough, but I think you could do better than that in price if you can find a non duo chip one.
Try DABS .com, or Misco, or eBay.

After thought:- I'm not sure if the Miditzer software can make use of the second CPU in a duo system. Perhaps Jim or someone else can clarify this.

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PS. glad you've got Miditzer working with the Technics keyboards.
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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by Jim Henry » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:49 pm

The Miditzer itself requires very little computer power. FluidSynth is what needs the computer power. The version of FluidSynth bundled with the Miditzer is quite old. :cry: I doubt it makes good or even any use of a dual processor.

However, there is a much newer version of FluidSynth. That may well take advantage of multiple processors. For now, and the foreseeable future, the only way to make use of this newer version would be to set it up as an independent, external program. It probably wouldn't be that hard but it is definitely not a task for a beginner or someone who isn't comfortable with the fiddly bits of MIDI and a computer.
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Re: Best Laptop for Miditzer

Post by Organmarine » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:43 am

Thanks again Jim.

Just bought 17" Samsung CPU=2.0GHz...6MB DDR3 & 650GB HDD . Intel core 2 duo or somat.
£280. I thought that was pretty good.
Got it home and now my wife wants one.

It has Win 7 which I am now updating and backing up with a view to installing the old XP.
However, before I go in that direction, I will try various tests to get the mighty Miditzer to work with the Win 7. With my wife's Vista, it seems to be working OK.

TC and best regards from an appreciative student.

Robert

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