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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:05 am
by wurlitzerwilly
Hi folks.
 
I just joined in the "affray" and downloaded both the MidiTzer progs. Very impressive.
 
Whilst the general layout is fairly familiar (having built/rebuilt TPOs) on many WurliTzers in the USA, there's a toe stud on the RH Swell pedal. Having just watched one of dear old Bob Pasalich's videos of Dave Wickerham, it seems fairly obvious that the stud is to hold the last combination played, and I presume it toggles. Sorry, I did once know what the stud was designated! The question is, is this facility available on the MidiTzer (or likely to be) as I believe that used well, it is sooo useful.
 
I also notice that listening to some of the MP3s of MidiTzer and Hauptwerk, that a few don't "blend" too well. Now to be fair, I was listening with headphones at the time, so there was no room accoustic for the sounds to "roll around" to blend. In fact on some recordings the stereo separation is so marked (with cans on) it's uncomfortable to listen to. Is this a function of badly set up MidiTzer, bad recording techniques, or recording direct off the back of the PC? ISTM that to make any organ (virtual or otherwise) successful, it's necessary to play/record it in an area that's at least big enough to accomodate the "original" pipes. i.e. Chamber size. Comments?
 
It's not quite clear, but having donated my $100, when I receive my registration, does that mean that I have use of all facilities of the 260SP, after 60 days elapses?
 
Regards,
 
Alan.
 Joe2007-06-16 05:23:53

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:15 pm
by Jim Henry
Hi Alan,I believe the toe stud you refer to is a sostenuto switch. I believe they are operative while held and hold the notes that were being played when activated. It has been discussed for the Miditzer but there are currently no plans to include one. The main reason is that few users would have a console that provided a sostenuto switch to make use of the feature. The Miditzer is a theatre organ for the masses and the emphasis is on providing a virtual theatre organ that is usable by most users and an accurate representation of what a Wurlitzer theatre organ is, as produced by Wurlitzer. There are a few deviations that have crept in, but there needs to be a very compelling reason for something before I deviate from historical accuracy. The problem with a virtual organ is that almost anything is possible and so one has to set some artificial rules for what will be permitted or the virtual organ loses all sense of what it represents.As to the MP3s, I have no idea what conditions they were recorded under. There are a lot of variables under the control of the user that can drastically affect the sound. Of course, it is the loose nut on top of the keyboard that has the greatest effect. When you receive your registration, that will continue the full functionality of the 260SP beyond 60 days. What you see during those first 60 days is the fully functional program. After 60 days, the unregistered program turns off the MIDI Input.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:56 pm
by wurlitzerwilly
Thanks for the explanation Jim. I just spoke with Michael Wooldridge and he said that it was a "sustain" stud, so that ties in nicely with "sostenuto". I understand you reluctance to provide "public" specials, but I wonder whether "hooks" could be provided for those of us who can write software and would like to add "genuine" TPO facilities that are perhaps more specific to a region - such as the UK, especially where "stop layouts" may differ.
 
A further question: Has the 216 been know to "cipher"?
I ask because I turned it on this afternoon and was just cancelling some stops when it ciphered, and continued even after all the stops were cancelled. I thought to myself "that's taking reality a bit too far"!
A short while after that it exhibited further "authenticity" where it sounded as if it was playing several ranks at once with many notes from each rank sounding and no keys down, just as the TPO at Singing Hills has been known to do (frightening) due to a serious design fault in the multiplexer.
I suspect with the 216, this may have been to do with some heavy use of memory on the PC. Could be that pointers didn't reset, and I've also noticed that Adobe Premiere Pro 2 leaves "things" running even after it's been put to bed.
 
I also have a problem with the 260SP which at present appears to have lost its 2nd Touch. This is not a signal or MIDI problem as it does this with the mouse! I must admit to not having reset the PC yet to clear it, as I'm running some Torrents that I don't want to turn off until they're completed.
 
Any help appreciated.
 
Regards,
 
Alan.
 Joe2007-06-16 05:23:31

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:40 pm
by Jim Henry
wurlitzerwilly wrote:I understand you reluctance to provide "public" specials, but I wonder whether "hooks" could be provided for those of us who can write software and would like to add "genuine" TPO facilities that are perhaps more specific to a region - such as the UK, especially where "stop layouts" may differ.
 
Nope. But the 260SP will be gaining the 5 Blackpool Great to Solo couplers and a 5 1/3 Tibia. It already has trems off.

If you want to design organs, jOrgan is a program you should look at.
wurlitzerwilly wrote:
A further question: Has the 216 been know to "cipher"?
Yes.

Hard to pin down why. I think there are many people who have cipher free installations and some who are horribly plauged by them. Also sort of like real TPOs.

One recent discovery seems to be that hyperthreading and dual core type systems will cipher. Search for hyperthreading if this applies to you.

If things get overloaded as shown by the activity monitor approaching 100%, things will hang but if you are patient they will eventually clear. I think if you keep banging away with hanging notes, then MIDI messages may be lost or discarded and you'll compound your problems with a cipher.

There is a Panic! feature that will clear ciphers. You have to enable it every time you start the Miditzer to encourage people to track down the causes of ciphers rather than plastering them over.

 
wurlitzerwilly wrote:
I also have a problem with the 260SP which at present appears to have lost its 2nd Touch.
I can't think of how you can kill mouse based second touch. Is spacebar second touch dead too?

It would be better to learn on the Style 216 because it is more up to date. The 260SP will be catching up soon. Now that I think about it, I think Panic! is only found on the 216 at the moment.
Joe2007-06-16 05:24:13

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:44 pm
by william luby
Its on the 260 version 85 as well Jim, panic button i mean.  William Luby.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:25 pm
by wurlitzerwilly
Glad to know it's not just me with the ciphers, but hasn't done it since.
 
I still don't have 2nd Touch by RH mouse button, despite uninstalling/re-installing the 260, after a reset. There's not a sound and no visual with 2nd Touch, with 2nd touch tabs on or off.
 
Regards,
 
Alan.
 

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:54 pm
by Jim Henry
What version of the 260SP are you using? Mouse second touch was introduced in ver. 0.84 as I recall.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:56 pm
by wurlitzerwilly
Hi Jim.
 
According to the "blurb" v0.70 is the latest version of the 260SP which is what I have.
 
Do you mean the 216 for v0.84?
 
I could swear that I saw 2nd touch, but I must have got confused with the 216.
 
Regards,
 
Alan.
 wurlitzerwilly2007-03-06 23:07:27

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:59 am
by Jim Henry
The documentation is focused on the 216. The version numbers are consistent between the 216 and the 260SP so they leapfrog each other. The 260SP is very close to being updated and it will probably come in as ver. 0.86.

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:44 am
by wurlitzerwilly
Thanks Jim.
 
Does that mean that there is no Mouse 2nd Touch in 260SP v0.70?
 
If not, will it be in v.086?
 
It's obviously not essential and of limited use, but handy for testing.
 
Regards,
 
Alan.