M settings button in LINUX

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M settings button in LINUX

Post by buzzmcm » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:19 am

I stumbled across a post about the M settings button when using LINUX and the necessary steps to make the settings visible. At that time I did not need it, but no amount of searching has let me discover it again. Can anyone help please.
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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by Jim Henry » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:06 am

This might be what you are looking for. Let us know if this does the trick.
Go to Applications again and now you should see Wine. Select run Winecfg.

Go to Graphics and uncheck the windows manager, option otherwise you
won't be able to access Miditzer settings.
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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by buzzmcm » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:40 am

Yes, that now works fine
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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by radiodon » Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:21 am

Jim Henry wrote:This might be what you are looking for. Let us know if this does the trick.
Go to Applications again and now you should see Wine. Select run Winecfg.

Go to Graphics and uncheck the windows manager, option otherwise you
won't be able to access Miditzer settings.
Hi all,
Just got Miditzer running with Wine on a Macbook. Had the same problem (no M to get to base camp).
Followed Jim's instructions and it works !. Thanks Jim

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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by johnh » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:08 pm

radiodon wrote: Just got Miditzer running with Wine on a Macbook. Had the same problem (no M to get to base camp).
Just a reminder that the M in the upper left corner takes you to the standard Windows System Menu which in the case of the Miditzer has been augmented to include access to the Miditzer Settings dialogs. Alt+Space will usually bring up this menu as well.

Base camp is accessed via a command line parameter to the Miditzer program itself, using

Code: Select all

-set BaseCamp
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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by csw900 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:25 am

Hi Linux and Mac users

I have been trying to use Miditzer 216 on iMac under Wine , the "M" menu is still
exhibiting the same troubles + more.

The wine I am using on the iMac is 1.6.1 and the "M" menu does not display at all.

Using Wine Configuration/Graphics I have two options:
1. Allow the Window Manager to decorate the displayed windows
2. Allow the Window manager to control the windows
Both are ticked by default.

Un ticking both options has no noticeable effect on the Miditzer and the "M" menu
still does not display

In all cases Alt+Space has no effect.

I did note that The Miditzer is using visual C libraries dating from 2005 and used the
Wine Tricks menu to install vcrun2005 libraries. This had no effect on anything.

The tricks in the above postings may have worked in 2009 with a much older
version of Wine but as far as I can discover there is now no way to open
the "M" menu and thus Miditzer 216 is useless on an iMac - which is a pity
because it does almost work.

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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by johnh » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:53 am

Miditzer user memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=140 silentfilmmusic (Ben Model) has used the Miditzer successfully on the Mac. You might search for his posts...

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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by Jim Henry » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:03 am

csw900 wrote:I did note that The Miditzer is using visual C libraries dating from 2005 and used the
Wine Tricks menu to install vcrun2005 libraries. This had no effect on anything.

The tricks in the above postings may have worked in 2009 with a much older
version of Wine but as far as I can discover there is now no way to open
the "M" menu and thus Miditzer 216 is useless on an iMac - which is a pity
because it does almost work.

csw900
If possible you should be working with the alpha version of the Miditzer 216 that is available in the Development Labs area. Right now it is only supports a 1920x1080 screen resolution but the next version will support a range of resolutions and it should be available within 2 months.
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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by csw900 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:06 am

Jim

The Miditzer 216 alpha version also has no means of showing the "M" menu on the iMac.
(The "M" never gets displayed at all).

Although the iMac has resolution far in excess of 1920 X 1080 the graphics do not work
properly. Many of the graphics pieces are disjointed and some overrun the edge of the
area they should be in. This is even before the organ is played.

When pieces are moved by external midi inputs e.g. The swell indicators at the top of
screen they get moved to a different (wrong) location. When stops are moved by the
mouse they break up and become confused with adjacent stops.

The main redeeming feature is that the sound works - though not properly - probably
because the correct stops are not being set. It also suffers from ciphers. The sound
problems could be better diagnosed and possibly cured if the menu worked.

Many people have complained about the "M" menu - clearly it is badly conceived. It
would be sensible now to forget it and give the Miditzer normal Windows menus which are
known to work properly in all circumstances.

I am looking forward to the new version!

John

A very interesting reference its amazing how I have overlooked so much useful
information. However I have not so far found anything which alters my statement above.

What I did find was how to bypass the sound font menu (which does not work properly
under Wine because the offset cannot be specified) by using an (or the) .xml file.
I have not tried this yet so I do not know whether it works.

By the way (if its not a secret) what is contained in the .cbo file?

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Re: M settings button in LINUX

Post by Jim Henry » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:01 pm

The reason for the M menu is because screen real estate was limited at the time the Miditzer was created in 2003. The Miditzer was conceived as a full-screen, PC only application. I am pretty amazed that the Miditzer has proved to be as long-lived and as versatile as it is.

Don't hold your breath waiting for any major changes in the Miditzer. They might or might not happen. It all depends on what volunteers other than me feel like doing. The only reason the Miditzer has a curved stop rail is because Crew Glazjev finally had the chance to see and play a real Wurlitzer theater organ. He then became determined to have a more realistic console in the Miditzer.

The Miditzer runs just fine on antiquated hardware. You can probably find an old PC for free or very inexpensively and use it just for the Miditzer. I have been told that the Miditzer runs just fine on the Micro Center WinBook tablets that cost around $100. It probably isn't worth your time to make the Miditzer run in environments it was never intended to work in.
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